Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Arkadaslar, ben kimin hangi ceviriyi yaptigini cozemez oldum. Bundan sonra calistiginiz ceviriyi buraya asarsaniz, kimin ne yaptigini bilebilecegim.
thh rüşvetle müslüman olanlar ve görüş değiştiren tanrı makalelerini aldım.
hysteria, muhammed'in ogretmenlerini ceviriyor
Ucuncuyol; Bilmiyorum.
aydoe'ya KURAN'IN TANRISININ BEDDUALARIni veriyorum.
Metalheart; İSLAMA GÖRE TÜRKLER İSTESELER DE MÜSLÜMAN OLAMAZLAR i veriyorum.
* Lutfen bu konulari daha once alan varsa buraya yazsin.
* Hepinize sevgiler ve iyi calismalar.

Re: elinizdeki ceviriler.
 

Vartor,

MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 1 ve MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2 makalelerini aldim. Birincisi bitmek uzere.

Re: elinizdeki ceviriler.
 

paylasimlar:

• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 1.......................................ucuncuyol
• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2.........................................ucuncuyo l
• AY İKİYE BÖLÜNÜP YERE DÜŞMÜŞ
• KURAN'IN TANRISI NEREDE?
• RÜŞVETLE MÜSLÜMAN OLANLAR........................................... ......thh
• ŞEYTAN AYETLERİ İSLAMIN GERÇEĞİ
• GÖRÜŞ DEĞİŞTİREN TANRI............................................. ............thh
• KURAN'IN TANRISININ BEDDUALARI........................................ .....aydoe
• MUHAMMED'İN DOKTORLUĞU
• KURAN'IN ORİJİNALLERİ YAKILDIĞI İÇİN YOK
• ÇAMURDAN YARATILIŞ
• İSLAM VE ŞİDDET
• İSLAMA GÖRE TÜRKLER İSTESELER DE MÜSLÜMAN OLAMAZLAR..............metalheart
• MUHAMMED'İN ÖĞRETMENLERİ...................................... ....................hysteria
• MUHAMMED'İN ŞEYTANI DİREĞE BAĞLAMAKTAN VAZGEÇMESİ

• İSLAMIN İNANÇ KAYNAKLARINDAN BİRİ: ZERDÜŞTLÜK

Re: elinizdeki ceviriler.
 

:lol:
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Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Arkadaslar bana da verin bir makale cevireyim.

hata kimse almadiysa ben "AY İKİYE BÖLÜNÜP YERE DÜŞMÜŞ" isimli makaleyi cevirmeye baslayayim.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

o makale na sayfada yer alıyor, zannedersem. Onu çevrilmiş sayalım. Alınmamış başka bir makaleyi al.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

KURAN'IN TANRISI NEREDE?

bunu alayim mi?

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

tamam boş gözüküyor, kolay *gelsin.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

paylasimlar:

• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 1.......................................ucuncuyol
• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2.........................................ucuncuyo l
• AY İKİYE BÖLÜNÜP YERE DÜŞMÜŞ ...................................... *ana sayfada var
• KURAN'IN TANRISI NEREDE? *............................................. * *respendial
• RÜŞVETLE MÜSLÜMAN OLANLAR........................................... ......thh
• GÖRÜŞ DEĞİŞTİREN TANRI............................................. ............thh
• KURAN'IN TANRISININ BEDDUALARI........................................ .....aydoe
• İSLAMA GÖRE TÜRKLER İSTESELER DE MÜSLÜMAN OLAMAZLAR..............metalheart
• MUHAMMED'İN ÖĞRETMENLERİ...................................... ....................hysteria
• MUHAMMED'İN DOKTORLUĞU .................................................. ....aydoe
• KURAN'IN ORİJİNALLERİ YAKILDIĞI İÇİN YOK ..............................respendial

paylaşım bekleyenler :

• ÇAMURDAN YARATILIŞ
• İSLAM VE ŞİDDET
• MUHAMMED'İN ŞEYTANI DİREĞE BAĞLAMAKTAN VAZGEÇMESİ
• ŞEYTAN AYETLERİ İSLAMIN GERÇEĞİ
• İSLAMIN İNANÇ KAYNAKLARINDAN BİRİ: ZERDÜŞTLÜK


* * * *son durum yukarıdaki gibi gözüküyr. Elimizde şu anda çevrilmeyi bekleyen 7 adet makale var.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

elimdeki bitirdikten sonra 1 tane daha çevirebilirim..

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Metalheart ve thh arkadaşlardan bir haber varmı?

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Ben "Kuran'in orjinalleri, yakildigi icin yok" isimli makaleyi cevirmek istiyorum eger sizin icin uygunsa.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Valla, kimseden ses yok, herhalde haril haril calisiyorlardir.
*Tabi ki mahsuru yok, cevirebilirsin.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

Bende Muhammedin Doktorluğunu çevirmeye çalışayım,
Saygılar

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

iyi olur aydoe, tesekkurler.

Re: Elinizdeki Çeviriler...
 

yukarıdaki listeyi son duruma göre güncelledim. Bu durumda paylaşılmamış 5 makale kalmış oluyor.

* * saygılarımla

grubun son durumu nedir, uzun süredir grubu boşladık. Elimizde hala bekleyen işler olması gerekiyor. Vartor iş planını ve kalan makaleleri bir kere daha belirtebilir misin. erhalde yeni bir görev dagılımı yapmak gerekecek.

Bu arada grupta hala çalışmayı isteyen ve çeviri yapacak arkadaşların kendilerini belirtmesi yerinde olur.

Bu grubun en faal grup olması gerekiyor ama nedense asla ilk başladıgımız günkü coşkuyu bir daha yakalayamadık.

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Bence muhammed biktirdi milleti, bir ceviren bir daha bulasmak istemiyor,

• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2..................................l
• MUHAMMED'İN ÖĞRETMENLERİ................. ...................
• ÇAMURDAN YARATILIŞ......................................... ...... kızılordu üstlendi
• İSLAM VE ŞİDDET............................................ .........
• ŞEYTAN AYETLERİ İSLAMIN GERÇEĞİ.................
• İSLAMIN İNANÇ KAYNAKLARINDAN BİRİ: ZERDÜŞTLÜK .......


İzledigim kadarıyla bu makalelerin tercümeleri tamamlanmadı. Şayet yanılıyorsam düzeltin.

Şİmdi gruba yeni bir şekil vermek gerekiyor. Tercüme faaliyetine destek olacakların öne çıkması ya da yeni tercüme yapacak arkadaşların bulunması gerekiyor.

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çamurdan yaratılış ı alıyorum sorun yoksa ingilizceye mi çevrilecek??
öyleyse 4 günde bitirebilirim...

tesekkurler kizilordu, hadi kolay gelsin.

vartor usta affına sığınarak 4 gün belirttiğim çeviriyi 2 gün uzatarak altı güne çıkartmak zorundayım ansızın hataydan misafirlerim geldi 2 gün onlarla olacağım. en geç 7. gün çeviri elinizde olacaktır..
saygılar..

iki gunun lafi mi olur kizilordu? Umarim iyi vakit gecirirsin misafirlerinle.

milomanara
 

Degerli arkadaslar, milomanara gurubumuza katildi ve calismalarina basladi, gurupmadina kendisine hos geldin diyor, gelecek cevirilerde basarilar diliyorum.
Kendisini hemen guruba dahil edemedim, yeni sitemde bazi bozukluklar uye dahil etme optionunu kaldirmis, veya ben beceremiyorum. Ancak Frodo'ya rica edince admin panelinden isi halletti. Ilk calismasi seytan ayetlerinin cevirisi asagida;
Satanic versus, the truth of islam

Have you seen al-Lat, al-‘Uzza, Manah; here, they are glorious cranes. Certainly their intercession is expected.

Muhammad


According to the records, the words known as “The Satanic Verses” are first included in Quran as verses and since goddesses called “al-lat, al-‘uzza, manah” has been blessed by these verses, idolaters joined to the prayers with Muhammad and his followers. This subject should be discussed calmly for the integrity of science. No need to worry or get over excited. If there is a fact –and there is a fact-, it’s doesn’t make sense to say “no there is no such thing”


Some controverts has shown behavior, according to Khomeini’s murder soliciting fatwa and attacked over and over again.



Now, let's look at the facts mentioned with their evidences:


1-Verses mentions and taken as backing up the case of "the Satanic Verses":



a) 52nd verse of Hajj Surah and following verses.


In 52nd verse it's told that satan annexes somethings to the things that all prophets read. But god sets them null and void and sets his own verses valid -right. As it seems the expression is inline with statements supporting the verses known as satanic verses, placed in Quran and then taken out, placed by satan, taken out by god thorugh gabriel. Besides, that's why interpretations see these verses are the mirror of this event. They find similar experession of this event in the following verses of 52nd.



b)73rd and 75th verses of Israa surah:



Meanings of these verses are as follows:


"And they indeed strove hard to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend. Then had we made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us."

2-Hadiths:



Hadith 1: EKSİK HADİS



QUESTION:



1-How did Muhammad and idolaters who are featured as his sworn enemies got together?


2-How did idolaters prayed with Muhammad?



To be able to find the answers to these questions, following two hadith should be well studied.



Haidth2: "Prophet was reading Al-Najm surah in Mekka, when it comes to the part, "Have you seen al-Lat, al-'Uzza and Manah which is one other(idol)?" satan delivered these to prophet's tongue.

"here, they are glorious cranes. Certainly their intercession is expected." Hereupon idolaters:

"Muhammad not before, today mentioned our goddesses with good words!" They said.



Yet again prophet prostrated and they also prostrated. Here for this reason god sent following verse:

"Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:"(Al-Hajj Surah, verse:52) (Narrators are prophets friends: a group which Abdullah Ibn Abbas among them. Source: Suyuti Ibn Hacar)


And it clearly seems that:


The reason why idolaters prayed with prophet is: "Prophet's mentioning of these three idols with blessing words and reading it as verse." The verses composed of these words are not gods but "satan's verses". These verses pulled out of surah later. The quotation in 52nd verse of Hajj surah brings us this conclusion.



No need to say much about this subject. The greatest masters of Islam Suyuti and Ibn Hacar accept hadith as safe and true. Both Suyuti and Ibn Hacar are trusted with their judgments when it comes to differentiate which hadith is true and which is false in world of islam

Herkes'e merhaba,

Çeviriyi aşağıda bulabilirsiniz. Değerli yorumlarınızı beklerim.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddqbjr7c_0fn3w44fh

Sevgiler,

Sevgili milonamara

Eline, emegine saglık. Son derece hızlı bir tercüme oldu bu. Vakit durumun müsaitse istedigin zaman kalan makalelerle devam edebilirsin.

Bu arada gozeneli de aramıza katılmış durumda, ondan da kalan makalelerden birini seçmesini isteyelim. Gerçi uzunlar kaldı, bu makaleleri iki kişi de paylaşabilir.

saygılarımla.

• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2..................................l
• MUHAMMED'İN ÖĞRETMENLERİ................. ................... kızılordu
• İSLAM VE ŞİDDET............................................ .........
• İSLAMIN İNANÇ KAYNAKLARINDAN BİRİ: ZERDÜŞTLÜK .......

Makaleleri ana sayfadan bulabilirsiniz. Ana sayfanın tercümesi için geriye dört makalemiz kalmış.
Edit: Makaleler üçe indi, ha gayret

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benim çeviride bitti nasıl ulaştıracam sizlere??

çok kısıtlı zamanım olduğu için sadece muhammedin öğretmenleri çevirisinide alacağım kusura bakmayın başka bişey alamıyacam şehir dışında olacağım....

sevgili kızılordu, bu başlıga asabilirsiniz.

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çamurdan yaratılış burda bir göz atın bakalım ozaman....


“I swear an oath, we create human beings from mud. Then we seated it in a safe place in case of pure water ( sperm ). We worked up the pure water into a gore, then turned the gore into a chew of meat , created bones from a chew of meat, and dressed bones with meat. And later, we made it a different creation. What a big renown that is Allah’s who is the most beautiful of all creators.” ( Mü’minün, verses 12-16. )
Qoran, the holy book of Islam tells the creation like that. We read the same telling in more suras: “ it is the truth that we create them from squishy mud. “ ( Es Safaat, 11 ), “ He create human being from a bone-dry argil that is tinkling like a glass.”( Er-Rahman, 14)
Into Sad Sura, with the Devil that is doubtful about the creation of human being Allah is arguing : “in the time of disputation your god had said angels that ‘I would certainly create a human from mud. When I completed him and puffed out my soul to the insade of him, kowtow for him imediately: All angels kowtowed in the lump. In regard to the Demon, he patronized and become one of the blasphemouses. Allah said : “ O Demon, what is it that keep you from kowtowing for the one I create with my omnipotence? Do you boast ? Or are you inordinately proud ? “ Demon said: “ I am more auspicious than him. You created me from fire but created him from mud.” ( Sad:71-76 )
As to Quran, Adam was created from mud, later Eve from his rib, later Habil and Kabil from the combination of both. Story goes like that.


Sıtkı is in Luksor Temple
Sıtkı was a faithful young. He never missed his namaz and fast. He graduated from Imam Hatip. His only aim was to specialize in. He lived in Süleymaniye’ back streets. Hi father was a draper. In nights he read Quran and hadith books.he was a cruious young, he was interested in philosophy. His all think was to study in El-Ezher in Eigypt.
In the end, his father made a decision. He would send Sıtkı to Eigypt with his all money. His son would study there. Sıtkı become very happy.
Eigypt fascinated Sıtkı. He would go around, make sight and make research. One day, he started to walk around the famous Luksor Temple. There was a catalogue in his hand. He started to make hay of its pages. What is it? What an interesting cartouche. Immediately he read the writing below it : “ we see God Khnemu who is described as King Amonhotap III while he is crearing two poeple ,male and female, on potter’s wheel.”
Suddenly a lightning flashed in Sıtkı’s mind. Immediately went near the cartouche. He remembered suras from Quran. Quran said that first human was created from mud. Here, on the cartouche in front of him Khnemu that was bullock-headed Eigypt God was creating human giving shape to mud like a potter. Also, that cartouche was belong to centuries before Quran verses’ coming down. He said “gracious me “.
Sıtkı was lost in thought. he wondered how were the creation stories of old ages’ other civilizations? “ It had to be asked to Gods “he thought. later he was angry with himself. How was he thinking. In Eigypt the weather was very depressive. He got loose. In a dim corner of Luksor Temple resigned himself to sweet dreams. Suddenly he was shaken, he would make research. Sıtkı brought together all old fables, mythology and archeology books. He was reading continually, among pages of books he was calling Gods and talking with them.

Zeus Had also Used Mud
“ O almighty God Zeus, let’s climb down the Mountain Olimpus. Let’ take Prometheus and come “ Sıtkı was crying out like that towards Mountain Olimpus. Zeus was also surprised. Below a humankind was commanding him. How could it be? Zeus tought there had to be a reason. He took Prometheus on and climbed down with curiosity.
“Prometheus,before you tell me how did you create human?”
“O humankind, man of 2000 years, I will tell.” said Prometheus. Not to make mistake he thought properly and started to talk : “My father , Titan Giapeto was in war with Zeus. Zeus punished my big brothers, Menezius and Atlas. I did not crusade. But, I did not like Zeus. Because he was far out with miseries and vapidities all over the world. I hated him. At last I gave a decision. I had to create soulful creations like me. I worked up soil into mud with my tears and impasted it. I made an human statue. Later I gave tone to that statue. In this way first mortal creatures were created.”
“ O Prometheus why did you use mud? “ asked Sıtkı.
“I do not know.” Said Prometheus . “ I saw from previous Gods like this. I was trained like this. For example, Zeus had also created humankind like this.”
How cuold they know what Sıtkı thinks. They never read Quran. He looked mythology book in his hand. Prometheus was telling truth. He retuned Zeus in a fury:
“ you,cruel god, tell me how did you create human? “
“I called glorious Hephaistos immediately, ı said him ‘ take one piece of soil, mix up with water. Put down human voice and human power in it. Make up a creation which looks like immortal godnesses.’ Great Hephaistos, lame god, made immediately what I said. He worked up soil into a girl. He put down voice in her and gave her the name Pandora. I created humankind like that.”
Zeus sweated rather good in front of Sıtkı. Great Greek God, could not tell lie. Hesiodos Epic that was written in 8th B.C. was also telling story like that.
“ O Zeus, did you not find anything different from mud to create humankind?” Asked Sıtkı. For example, if human had been created from iron or stone, maybe his essential nature would be stronger. “ Our customs are like that.” Said Zeus. “ Before me, Marduk had also created humankind like that.”

First Slurry in Sumers
“ So, let’s go back to your great mountain.” commanded Sıtkı. Now Marduk was prepossessing Sıtkı’s mind. Marduk was the god of Sumer. He lived in Mezopotamia. He looked on his book. Tabloids which were based on the First Sumer Period and belong to 7th B.C. were found during the archeologic excavations between 1914-1929. In Sumer Legends of which date of taking form was reaching to before 4000years, in Enuma-eliş Legend Madruk was talked about.
Sıtkı suffled pages. Whiile shuffling, he found himself on plentiful lands where Dicle and Fırat were combining. He yelled “Marduuuuk”. Marduk had come immediately. “tell me your trouble humankind” he said.
“the God of Olimpus Zeus talked about you. Tell me how did you create human.” said Sıtkı.
“our old gods had thanked to me for things I did. They said that they were very contented, but they needed a creation which would servet hem and was not in the quality of a god. Upon this, I asked for Ea’s help. I kneaded soil with Kingu’s blood. And I created first human. “
Sıtkı thought how could be so much resemblance. Or Marduk was boasting? He found Enuma-eliş Legend out of his book. He read it. Amazing! Not only in Enuma-eliş but also in other Sumer Legends like Ullikumi, Sankhuniation mud had been used as the first mortar of creation. He thanked Marduk. ” you well opened my mind dear Marduk .” he said.
Marduk was also amazed. Who was that humankind ? How could he query gods? Zeus informed him beforehand. “ be careful “he said. “so called Sıtkı is man of 2000 years. “ “ I must call Arura “ Marduk thought “ after all we must ack with solidarity in this age. Humankind run riot”.


Also in Gilgamesh Creation is From Mud
Sıtkı was reading constantly. Some time or other, he found Gilgamesh Legend. He had read it before. But he had never examine according to creation. “ let’s read “ he said himself.

Suddently Arura appeared in front of Sıtkı. It was a heaven-sent opportunity.”O great Arura “ he said. “ I am making research ,I am asking all gods so that how you create human”. Arura was prepared. He took information from Marduk. He know that one opposite him was not duped. He said ” the best is to tell the truth” and started to talk. “ The great god of sky Anu-ki, I created him- he listened to Uruk Public’s cry of distress- he called me ‘you ‘ he said ‘created me, now create my mind’. As soon as I heard this I created Anu’s mind in my heart. I washed my hands. I threw a piece of mud into writing. And in this writing I created hero Engidu. Engidu that I created from mud, is strong like iron. Whole of his body is jetblack with hair. He has long hairs like a woman. “
Sıtkı thinks “he tells the truth”. He remembered Gilgamesh Legend. But the matter of mud had not taken his attention so far. Now everything took place in his mind. The first mortar in legends of plentiful lands was mud.


Firstly From Insect, When It Does not Work, From Mud
If gods of distant lands had also created human from mud ? Sıtkı thought that “Chineses were interesting.” “let’s take a looking on them” . He went on reading books. He found the part of Chinese Legends. It was talking about God Pen-gu. He called out to Pen-gu. Pen-gu come on the wings of phoenix (Zümrüdü Anka).
“ tell me great Pen-gu” asked Sıtkı “ how did you create human?”
“ I was very strong.” said Pen-gu. ” divided air into two as soil and sky. Then I died. Winds come into existence out of my breath, thunders out of my voice, sun and moon out of my eyes, mountains out of my body, river and sea out of my blood, stars out of my hair, rain out of my sweat. Later human come into existence out of wiggling insects in my rotten body.”
“ yess!” yelled Sıtkı “ Just now I found a different story. Then Chinese are coming from insect. “
“ do not finish yet, be patient.” Said Great Pen-gu,with a wise attitude and go on.
“ In course of time, a part of sky made away with mankind by falling down to the seas. Upon this , Goddess Ngüho casted up sky with her crab-hands , pushed seas to the borderline again and created a new kind of human from mud.”
“ Amazing”said Sıtkı. “ then Chinese Gods also created human from mud.” He thanked to Pen-gu.


From Tora to Quran
Where Sıtkı looked at he come across with creation from mud. Yes ,all of them had copied each other.
What was Tora telling? Here he found one. He read it.
“ And God said: ‘ In our form, like us we should make a human / and God created human in his form,created him in God’s form. / and God created Adam from the soil of land and blew out to his nose breath of life and Adam become a living soul. / but for Adam proper accessary could not be found. And God brought a deep sleep over him and he slept and God took someone from his rib and covered its place with meat. / and God created a woman from the rib that God took from Adam and brought her to Adam. “
This creation story which was going on with the first sin of Adam and Eve and their getting the sack from the City of God also passed to Quran.

Why Mud?
“Why mud?” thought Sıtkı. Maybe our ancestors attached a special importance to water and soil which responeded to their all needs and was very necessary to them. When water and soil were joined together mud occured. In fact, all systems of academic ideas and legends coming through our days come into leaf in Dicle, Fırat,Nile and Indus’s watery and plentiful lands. These lands that created great civilizations laid up rich fables. It was impossible not to understand gratefulness of people that were thousand years before.


Etymologic Evolution of Middle East Gods
God’s names of civilization lived in different ages in Middle East shows an interesting evolution :
In Hebrews sometimes it becomes ‘Yahova’, sometimes ‘Elohim’. Text separations are fixed leaning on the lines in which names of these two gods in Tora, Yehova and Eloha are passing. With the word ‘elah’ in Arami, word ‘eloha’in Tora are shown in Bible from mouth of Jesus in form that ‘Eloi, eloi, Lama sabachtani’(my god,my god,why did you leave me?). Also word ‘ilahi’ which is used for musculine god in Arabs before Islam. In some suras of Quran in places word ‘ilah’ is come across.
the summary of “human as created from mud” legends
the idea of ’human was created from mud’that was talked about in holy books was shown in legends that were written by people who lived in ages that were too much before holy books’ going forth. It is a sign that to holy books quoted from these legends. Statements in these legends and holy books are like that:
1) Gilgamesh Legend : “ I washed my hands. I took a piece of mud and threw it to the writting. And in this writting, I created Hero Endigu.”
2)Enuma-eliş Legend of Sumars: “Upon this, I asked for Ea’ help. I kneaded soil with Kingu’blood. And I created first human. “
3) From Chinese Legends: “Upon this , Goddess Ngüho casted up sky with her crab-hands , pushed seas to the borderline again and created a new kind of human from mud.”
4) A cartouche in Luksor Temple in Eigypt : “ we see God Khnemu who is described as King Amonhotap III while he is crearing two poeple ,male and female, on potter’s wheel.”
5) Hesiodos Legend: “ I called glorious Hephaistos immediately, ı said ‘ take one piece of soil, mix up with water. ‘ put down human voice and human power in it.”
6) From Greek Legends: “ I worked up soil into mud with my tears and impasted it(Prometheus was talking.) I made an human statue. Later I gave tone to that statue. In this way first mortal creatures were created. “
7) From Tora:“ and God created Adam from the soil of land and blew out to his nose breath of life and Adam become a living soul.”
8) Quran, Mü’minün 12-16: “I swear an oath, we create human beings from mud.”
9) Quran, Es-Safaat 11: “it is the truth that we create them from squishy mud. “
10) Quran, Sad 71-76: “I will certainly create a human from mud. When I complete him and puff out my soul to the insade of him, kowtow for him imediately”

Eline saglik kizilordu, ilk bakista iyi ifade edilmis gibi gorunuyor, imla icin spelling programindan gecirmeyi dusunuyorum. Tekrar tesekkurler.

sevgili vartor gereken kontrolü yapıpta bana durum bildirirmisin eleştiriye uyarıya açığım ona göre bu diğer çeviriyi daha güzel yapmaya çalışacağım....

muhammedin öğretmenleri çevirisini alıyorum yarın başlıyacağım 5 gün için de bitirmeye çalışacağım....

Sayın başkan

Şu anda bitmiş iki tercüme var gibi gözüküyor. Bunların ok yini verip yayına hazır tercümeler diye bir başlık altında belirtmekte fayda var.

Bu arada milomanara yeni görev almıyor mu. GÖZENELİ NE OLDU: Kızılordu senin ordun gelişiyor, orduda görev almak isteyen arkadaşlar var mı.

Saygılarımla

sevgili dilaver usta önce ordumu kuram organize edem sonra görev almak isteyene illaki veririz ama ben daha çok görev almaya teşvik edecem :)

Sevgili dilaver,

Geçen hafta peder bey tarafından baskına uğradık :) rakı içip sanat müziği dinlemekten içim bayıldı ama ne yaparsınız. İslam ve şiddetle devam edebilirim. Bir haftada falan bitiririm sanıyorum.

sevgiler,

Sagolasın milonamara

İşin zor kısmı sona kaldı , en uzun metinler kaldı.

• MUHAMMED'İN CİNSEL HAYATI 2..................................l
• İSLAMIN İNANÇ KAYNAKLARINDAN BİRİ: ZERDÜŞTLÜK .......

Td makalelerinin bitmesi için bu iki metin kaldı. Bunları aslında paylaşarak da çevirebiliriz. Bir iki ya da üç kişi paylaşabilir.

Bu arada asinar hayatta mı, burayı okuyabiliyor mu.

Sevgili asinar sesimi duyuyorsan elma de. :)

saygılarımla

arkadaşlar çeviride bie kelime ilekarşılaştım ve anlamını bilmıyorum yardım edebilecek olan vardır heralde? "mütevatır" ne demek? birde bildiğiniz bir arapça sözlük var mı?

Sevgili kızılordu,

İki kelime var aşağıda yazıyorum:

mütevatı: 1. Birbirine benzeyen. 2.(fels.) Tek anlamlı.

mütevatir, mütevatire: Ağızdan ağza yayılan, halk arasında söylenilen.

kaynak: bilgi yayınevi osmanlıca-türkçe sözlük.